Down Syndrome - Sarah Palin's Brave Choice

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Permalink Reply by Clare Stella on August 6, 2009 at 4:04pm

I don't think you need feel ashamed of questioning what your choice would be in this situation. It is a very personal decision and can be influenced by a number of factors such as age, having the finances to care for a differently abled child, your religious beliefs, and so on. We never know what decisions we may be faced with in life.

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Permalink Reply by Becca Kelly on August 6, 2009 at 4:23pm

I am very, very proud of her. Is this a question of her bravery in not aborting her baby, or just that they kept the baby, and kept him at home?

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Permalink Reply by Ange A on August 6, 2009 at 4:55pm

I am the mother of the most beautiful little girl in the world. She happens to have Down syndrome. It isn't exactly what a parent wishes for when they think of their child growing in their womb, but until you experience first hand you simply don't know the joys involved. There is no shame in questioning what choice you might have made if faced with the same diagnosis. In my opinion, the only shame is in not seeking out the most up to date information before making such choices. Having the fears are natural and to be expected. I hope this made sense. LOL

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Permalink Reply by Marcella Mcatee on August 6, 2009 at 6:12pm

My best friend had a beautiful little girl with downs when she was 28 years old. They knew from some of the tests they had that the risk was high, and chose not to do further testing due to risk of losing her. She is nine years old now ... healthy beautiful and the love of all our lives!

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Permalink Reply by Quesadilla on August 6, 2009 at 11:20pm

Downs kids never develop the ability to feel remorse. They usually have the ability to express remorse, but the two are far from being equal.God has a tendency to make things even (to him whom much is given, much is required, etc.) so those with Down syndrome have a natural in-born ability to manipulate others, which is how the expression of remorse is manifested. Ms. Palin (she is no longer governor of Alaska) doesn't understand this concept, which is why she chose not to have an abortion. She had four children already. Now that she's given birth this last time, she has actually done harm to the world by ushering in a sociopath (speaking as though things which shall come to pass have already passed). Down syndrome is an aberration that most parents don't understand worth squat, which is why there are still people who are willing to give birth to such babies. I understand that reproduction is a right in the United States, and for it to be a privilege would be very, very wrong. However, just because someone has a right to do something, that doesn't make doing it right.

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Permalink Reply by Quesadilla on August 6, 2009 at 11:50pm

Well, good luck to your best friend. She has no idea the disaster she's creating. My best friend from age seven to half-way through 10 has Down syndrome. She was extremely controlling, manipulative beyond logic or other reason, and because of her illness she was never held accountable for the deeply-reaching distress and hell she put me through. I'm fed-up with the whole Catholic-brainwashing system. It's despicable. "Doris" would spend all day nearly everyday every summer, traipsing around the house in nothing but a pair of panties. And while that may have been acceptable for a toddler, Doris was still doing it well past the time when she had developed very large breasts. She even answered the door in this state of decorum. Even when it was boys who were knocking on the door. Older boys. Her mother would avoid dealing with her children for many long hours everyday in the basement, with her headphones on, typing medical transcripts. Doris didn't meet the standard of being a human (having no ability to love or feel remorse), but that doesn't mean she deserved to be raped, which is the kind of thing that happens when parents are so completely ignorant of what their children do all day. Doris manipulated me into spending nearly everyday of every summer with her (my folks didn't believe in breaking the Sabbath). Her mother set Doris and me up to be partners in capacity at school, and I was the one who walked her to and from school. I know I say she was my best friend at that time, but it was kind of like having a 115-pound tumor that held me hostage during what is supposed to be the most carefree time in a person's life.
You have NO idea, Marcella; NO IDEA.

Marcella Mcatee said:

My best friend had a beautiful little girl with downs when she was 28 years old. They knew from some of the tests they had that the risk was high, and chose not to do further testing due to risk of losing her. She is nine years old now ... healthy beautiful and the love of all our lives!

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Permalink Reply by Jennifer Snides on August 7, 2009 at 6:43am

Regarding the above posts referring to people with DS as Sociopaths, "disasters" etc ...man, what wicked posts and offensive to all those parents striving for the very best for their children with DS.
God also created the rest of us to have compassion. Let's please strive for that human attribute of compassion.

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Permalink Reply by Quesadilla on August 7, 2009 at 9:24am

The truth hurts; doesn't it Ms. Snides? And for your information, I wasn't claiming that those with Downs are disasters, but that the effect they have on society is a disaster. Also FYI, all it takes to be a sociopath is to not have the ability to love another unselfishly and to no have the ability to feel remorse. Author Martha Stout wrote that five percent of society are sociopaths. Not all sociopaths become murderers. I am acquainted with an entire family of sociopaths whom I know from church, and none of them have any form of MR. And yet they have been allowed to be missionaries, etc. These yutzes can be found in all walks of life, and with any IQ; it's not that all sociopaths have Downs. Additionally, are you from PETA, too? FYI, I have compassion coming out of my wazoo. I even have compassion for those with MR, as well as lesser life forms. How very presumptuous of you to assume that I have no compassion, simply because I am well-grounded in reality. Anyone well-grounded in reality is naturally a compassionate soul. of course such a soul would be quite familiar with the fact that all of us are members of the Human family. You would be a great deal wiser, though, if you would read the Urantia Book, rather than the Liberal drivel you've been exposing your brain to, if you've been reading at all.

Jennifer Snides said:

Regarding the above posts referring to people with DS as Sociopaths, "disasters" etc ...man, what wicked posts and offensive to all those parents striving for the very best for their children with DS.
God also created the rest of us to have compassion. Let's please strive for that human attribute of compassion.

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Permalink Reply by Ange A on August 7, 2009 at 9:25am

As the mother of one of those "sociopaths", I am appalled at your statements. My daughter is the most loving child I have ever met and it is people that think in the manner that you do that put the fear into others. Frankly, I would worry more about your clear issues with those with a disability than those that have said disability. Children with Down syndrome are children with the same abilities as those born without Down syndrome. Some of those children might prove to be manipulative, but to say that ALL children with Down syndrome are sociopaths and have no ability to fee remorse is simply wrong. It would be as wrong as to say that all people without are the same unfeeling human being that you present yourself to be, but I chose to believe that not be the truth. I am sorry that you had a friend that mistreated you, but I will not sit quietly while you attack an entire group of people based on that supposed mistreatment.
Kaycee Taylor said:

Well, good luck to your best friend. She has no idea the disaster she's creating. My best friend from age seven to half-way through 10 has Down syndrome. She was extremely controlling, manipulative beyond logic or other reason, and because of her illness she was never held accountable for the deeply-reaching distress and hell she put me through. I'm fed-up with the whole Catholic-brainwashing system. It's despicable. "Doris" would spend all day nearly everyday every summer, traipsing around the house in nothing but a pair of panties. And while that may have been acceptable for a toddler, Doris was still doing it well past the time when she had developed very large breasts. She even answered the door in this state of decorum. Even when it was boys who were knocking on the door. Older boys. Her mother would avoid dealing with her children for many long hours everyday in the basement, with her headphones on, typing medical transcripts. Doris didn't meet the standard of being a human (having no ability to love or feel remorse), but that doesn't mean she deserved to be raped, which is the kind of thing that happens when parents are so completely ignorant of what their children do all day. Doris manipulated me into spending nearly everyday of every summer with her (my folks didn't believe in breaking the Sabbath). Her mother set Doris and me up to be partners in capacity at school, and I was the one who walked her to and from school. I know I say she was my best friend at that time, but it was kind of like having a 115-pound tumor that held me hostage during what is supposed to be the most carefree time in a person's life.
You have NO idea, Marcella; NO IDEA.

Marcella Mcatee said:

My best friend had a beautiful little girl with downs when she was 28 years old. They knew from some of the tests they had that the risk was high, and chose not to do further testing due to risk of losing her. She is nine years old now ... healthy beautiful and the love of all our lives!

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Permalink Reply by Ange A on August 7, 2009 at 9:39am

If this is your "truth" I really feel sorry for you. I live with that "truth" each and everyday of my life. My daughter is NOT some disaster nor does she project disaster on society. Once again, I concern myself more with people that project such hatred than I ever would with a person with a disability. I have to leave this discussion because your hatred is overwhelming me. Time for me to go hug my precious child and pray for you.

Kaycee Taylor said:

The truth hurts; doesn't it Ms. Snides? And for your information, I wasn't claiming that those with Downs are disasters, but that the effect they have on society is a disaster. Also FYI, all it takes to be a sociopath is to not have the ability to love another unselfishly and to no have the ability to feel remorse. Author Martha Stout wrote that five percent of society are sociopaths. Not all sociopaths become murderers. I am acquainted with an entire family of sociopaths whom I know from church, and none of them have any form of MR. And yet they have been allowed to be missionaries, etc. These yutzes can be found in all walks of life, and with any IQ; it's not that all sociopaths have Downs. Additionally, are you from PETA, too? FYI, I have compassion coming out of my wazoo. I even have compassion for those with MR, as well as lesser life forms. How very presumptuous of you to assume that I have no compassion, simply because I am well-grounded in reality. Anyone well-grounded in reality is naturally a compassionate soul. of course such a soul would be quite familiar with the fact that all of us are members of the Human family. You would be a great deal wiser, though, if you would read the Urantia Book, rather than the Liberal drivel you've been exposing your brain to, if you've been reading at all.

Jennifer Snides said:

Regarding the above posts referring to people with DS as Sociopaths, "disasters" etc ...man, what wicked posts and offensive to all those parents striving for the very best for their children with DS.
God also created the rest of us to have compassion. Let's please strive for that human attribute of compassion.

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Permalink Reply by Quesadilla on August 7, 2009 at 9:48am

Ange, you have lost all touch with reality. That is, if you ever had any brush with reality in the first place. I am not unfeeling; I am actually unusually sensitive, but I have some ability to be objective. As for your daughter, I would guarantee you that she only loves you and others because she needs you (and them) to meet her needs. Pay close attention as she gets older. Downs individuals do not have the same abilities as those who are not afflicted with DS; you are taking the position opposite to that of scientific data and real-life experience. Just because you choose to be clearly deluded, doesn't mean you have any business subjecting others to your delusions. Good grief and good riddance to you.

Ange A said:

As the mother of one of those "sociopaths", I am appalled at your statements. My daughter is the most loving child I have ever met and it is people that think in the manner that you do that put the fear into others. Frankly, I would worry more about your clear issues with those with a disability than those that have said disability. Children with Down syndrome are children with the same abilities as those born without Down syndrome. Some of those children might prove to be manipulative, but to say that ALL children with Down syndrome are sociopaths and have no ability to fee remorse is simply wrong. It would be as wrong as to say that all people without are the same unfeeling human being that you present yourself to be, but I chose to believe that not be the truth. I am sorry that you had a friend that mistreated you, but I will not sit quietly while you attack an entire group of people based on that supposed mistreatment.
Kaycee Taylor said:

Well, good luck to your best friend. She has no idea the disaster she's creating. My best friend from age seven to half-way through 10 has Down syndrome. She was extremely controlling, manipulative beyond logic or other reason, and because of her illness she was never held accountable for the deeply-reaching distress and hell she put me through. I'm fed-up with the whole Catholic-brainwashing system. It's despicable. "Doris" would spend all day nearly everyday every summer, traipsing around the house in nothing but a pair of panties. And while that may have been acceptable for a toddler, Doris was still doing it well past the time when she had developed very large breasts. She even answered the door in this state of decorum. Even when it was boys who were knocking on the door. Older boys. Her mother would avoid dealing with her children for many long hours everyday in the basement, with her headphones on, typing medical transcripts. Doris didn't meet the standard of being a human (having no ability to love or feel remorse), but that doesn't mean she deserved to be raped, which is the kind of thing that happens when parents are so completely ignorant of what their children do all day. Doris manipulated me into spending nearly everyday of every summer with her (my folks didn't believe in breaking the Sabbath). Her mother set Doris and me up to be partners in capacity at school, and I was the one who walked her to and from school. I know I say she was my best friend at that time, but it was kind of like having a 115-pound tumor that held me hostage during what is supposed to be the most carefree time in a person's life.
You have NO idea, Marcella; NO IDEA.

Marcella Mcatee said:

My best friend had a beautiful little girl with downs when she was 28 years old. They knew from some of the tests they had that the risk was high, and chose not to do further testing due to risk of losing her. She is nine years old now ... healthy beautiful and the love of all our lives!

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Permalink Reply by Ange A on August 7, 2009 at 9:52am

The only deluded individual here is clearly you. I actually KNOW my child and I have done extensive research on Down syndrome. I suspect that your research comes from your tragic childhood where a friend treated you unkindly. Your reasons behind why my daughter cares for me only because she needs me would describe every child I have ever known. I will end my part of this discussion with this; God knows which family to send these precious children to and I know He would NEVER send such a gift to someone like you.

Kaycee Taylor said:

Ange, you have lost all touch with reality. That is, if you ever had any brush with reality in the first place. I am not unfeeling; I am actually unusually sensitive, but I have some ability to be objective. As for your daughter, I would guarantee you that she only loves you and others because she needs you (and them) to meet her needs. Pay close attention as she gets older. Downs individuals do not have the same abilities as those who are not afflicted with DS; you are taking the position opposite to that of scientific data and real-life experience. Just because you choose to be clearly deluded, doesn't mean you have any business subjecting others to your delusions. Good grief and good riddance to you.

Ange A said:

As the mother of one of those "sociopaths", I am appalled at your statements. My daughter is the most loving child I have ever met and it is people that think in the manner that you do that put the fear into others. Frankly, I would worry more about your clear issues with those with a disability than those that have said disability. Children with Down syndrome are children with the same abilities as those born without Down syndrome. Some of those children might prove to be manipulative, but to say that ALL children with Down syndrome are sociopaths and have no ability to fee remorse is simply wrong. It would be as wrong as to say that all people without are the same unfeeling human being that you present yourself to be, but I chose to believe that not be the truth. I am sorry that you had a friend that mistreated you, but I will not sit quietly while you attack an entire group of people based on that supposed mistreatment.
Kaycee Taylor said:

Well, good luck to your best friend. She has no idea the disaster she's creating. My best friend from age seven to half-way through 10 has Down syndrome. She was extremely controlling, manipulative beyond logic or other reason, and because of her illness she was never held accountable for the deeply-reaching distress and hell she put me through. I'm fed-up with the whole Catholic-brainwashing system. It's despicable. "Doris" would spend all day nearly everyday every summer, traipsing around the house in nothing but a pair of panties. And while that may have been acceptable for a toddler, Doris was still doing it well past the time when she had developed very large breasts. She even answered the door in this state of decorum. Even when it was boys who were knocking on the door. Older boys. Her mother would avoid dealing with her children for many long hours everyday in the basement, with her headphones on, typing medical transcripts. Doris didn't meet the standard of being a human (having no ability to love or feel remorse), but that doesn't mean she deserved to be raped, which is the kind of thing that happens when parents are so completely ignorant of what their children do all day. Doris manipulated me into spending nearly everyday of every summer with her (my folks didn't believe in breaking the Sabbath). Her mother set Doris and me up to be partners in capacity at school, and I was the one who walked her to and from school. I know I say she was my best friend at that time, but it was kind of like having a 115-pound tumor that held me hostage during what is supposed to be the most carefree time in a person's life.
You have NO idea, Marcella; NO IDEA.

Marcella Mcatee said:

My best friend had a beautiful little girl with downs when she was 28 years old. They knew from some of the tests they had that the risk was high, and chose not to do further testing due to risk of losing her. She is nine years old now ... healthy beautiful and the love of all our lives!

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