Should We Be Told How Many Kids We Can Have?
The craziness behind the Octo mom could affect a woman's right to plan her family. New laws could be created dictating how many embryos can be implanted at one time via IVF.
Do you think they should be allowed to determine this or is it between a woman and her doctor?
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Do you think they should be allowed to determine this or is it between a woman and her doctor?
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Tags: cps, jackie, macdougall, morgan, nadya, octuplets, suleman, welfare
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Permalink Reply by Theresa on -
First off I sincerely believe EVERY child born into this world is a miracle and a blessing.Who are we to say how many children some one should or shouldn't have? I have 2 wonderful boys 6 yrs apart in age.I tried for so long to have both of them. ANYONE that says that there should be a limit to how many children ppl have is simply ridiculous. If some one is in trouble because they have many children in their family , why dont we help them instead of judging them.What has this world come to ?
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Permalink Reply by Shawnn on -
While I agree with Theresa, that every child is a blessing, I am forced to wonder how this woman is going to support her brood. I too had to go through almost 8 years of trying before I was pregnant, and carried to term. There have been times when we were down on our luck, and no one helped us out, because we made too much to qualify for medical or food assistance. We made it on our own. This woman, who already had 6 children who are being supported by the state and other relatives (because she claims to have a back injury and can't work) Decided to have 8 more children, increasing the burden on the state agencies and her relatives. I don't understand how someone who claims to have back problems can carry one fetus to term, let alone 8. I don't understand how she was allowed to use disability benefits, which are intended for living expenses, to pay for the IVF. That is an abuse of government funds. I also firmly believe that each child deserves individual attention. Thus, in a two parent family, 2 kids is about right. More than that, and someone will be slighted, no matter how hard the parents try. I know, being from a large family. I have ABSOLUTELY no problem if the government wanted to dictate how many children you could have. More children would be raised in loving, caring homes, and less would be on welfare. These babies deserve more than they are going to be able to get out of life. They will be exploited and endangered in the name of "the story". They already have been.
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Permalink Reply by Del on -
Theresa said:First off I sincerely believe EVERY child born into this world is a miracle and a blessing.Who are we to say how many children some one should or shouldn't have? I have 2 wonderful boys 6 yrs apart in age.I tried for so long to have both of them. ANYONE that says that there should be a limit to how many children ppl have is simply ridiculous. If some one is in trouble because they have many children in their family , why dont we help them instead of judging them.What has this world come to ?
while I agree with you on all your points, i think you've missed the point of the question. I almost did as well because the title is misleading.
I think there should be some type of rules applied to IVF considering the potential for multiples as we have seen with the octuplets. I think its widely agreed that what her doctor agreed to do was wrong. He, being the professional, should have some rules to be held accountable by. Suleman did not do this to herself. She is obviously under a questionable state of mental health and had the doctor had some rules or laws to adhere to this situation would not be as grave as it is now.
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Permalink Reply by Rayna on -
I wouldn't want anyone telling me how many children is right for me. Do people that conceive naturally have laws that tell them how many children they can have?? I think that it is the science being scrutinized. I would hope that doctors would use ethics when it came to how many to implant. I have a friend that had three embryos implanted because of age and quality of the embryos. Sadly, she didn't even have any take. I think it comes to an individual decision that people have to make on their own. I had two embryos implanted with both of my children. I ended up with one twin pregnancy (my first) and was lucky to have one healthy baby at the end.
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Permalink Reply by Terri Sanders on
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I truly believe there were bad decisions made in the Octo Mom case. I can't say if it was all the mom's fault or the doctor's or a combo. She did not need to have more children. She says the only reason she did was because she had these frozen embryos left - is that reason enough? Could she not have given them to somebody else who has not experienced the joy of childbirth?
Yes, I am one of the moms the believes that if you live off the government, you should be limited on the number of children you should be able to have. If you have been on government assistance for so many years, and don't seem to want to get off, or have a way off, why should you be able to have as many children as you want? That just means more of a strain on the tax payers now, and generally, more people living on the government later.
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Permalink Reply by Eva_Marie on -
I agree with you. I think that for safety reasons, they shouldn't just be trying to implant a litter at a time into a desparate woman. As expensive as it may be, I feel that less at a time and more attempts is safer and more logical for everyone involved. Everyone involved, the doctors, parents, caregivers, ther siblings.
If you are already living off suppport, then it prooves you can't support that for which you are already responsible. More children proves further irresponsibility and imho neglect.
Terri Sanders said:I truly believe there were bad decisions made in the Octo Mom case. I can't say if it was all the mom's fault or the doctor's or a combo. She did not need to have more children. She says the only reason she did was because she had these frozen embryos left - is that reason enough? Could she not have given them to somebody else who has not experienced the joy of childbirth?
Yes, I am one of the moms the believes that if you live off the government, you should be limited on the number of children you should be able to have. If you have been on government assistance for so many years, and don't seem to want to get off, or have a way off, why should you be able to have as many children as you want? That just means more of a strain on the tax payers now, and generally, more people living on the government later.
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Permalink Reply by Sherry Conrad on
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Ugh if it wasn't for the octo- mom I'd say to each their own.
She, however, has taken irresponsibility to a new level.
Someone who can save up for IVF is NOT ENTITLED to the assistance she received.
She committed fraud, plain and simple.
The kids are here now, yes, but she should NOT get a free ride.
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Permalink Reply by Melanie Lee on -
If you can support them it should be a personal decision. When it comes to the taxpayers supporting them, yes, there should be a limit!
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Permalink Reply by Jenny the Great on -
In the situation of Octo-mom, I am all for restricting embryo numbers. However, I'm positive the law is going to be TOO restrictive, thereby hurting people's chances at conceiving via IVF if it's what's required. I have many friends who have traveled the infertility route (me included) and IVF is their best option.
If the law restricts the number of embryos to be implanted, and a couple needs more than the allotted number to increase their chances of success because this is the last round they'll be able to do since they've already spent $50,000 on failed procedures, then that would be a tragedy and I would be against the law.
If someone "just wanted another girl" and had no prior history of infertility, then absolutely, the number of embryos should be restricted and I would be all for the law.
It's a thin line between controlling our bodies and having common sense safeguards in place. I'm still up in the air.
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Permalink Reply by Rebecca D on -
This is a very hard question. I think it depends on the circumstances. I wouldn't want to be told how many kids I could have but I am smart enough NOT to do what Octo-Mom did. She is on welfare and I think she should not be able to get anything from the government. Its pretty bad when you can live in a half a million dollar house and get assistance. Here is OHIO you have to show your assets and they would NEVER allow that. I think its awful when someone keeps bringing kids into the world they cannot afford. If you can afford it however and won't get assistance, I say have however many kids you want. There has to be a line drawn somewhere.
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Permalink Reply by Susana Banana on -
Ordinarily, I would say no. But Nadya Suleman clearly needs some sort of input into the situation, and I believe her doctor is the one to give it. And I would bet my bottom dollar that she isn't the only one.
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